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09/24/2005

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Scott Baradell

I noticed the clubby-ness of PR bloggers -- and virtually all blogger groups -- when I began my blog in March. In a fluid environment, it's an informal way to attempt to establish a pecking order.

Jeremy Pepper

You hit on the reason why I killed the Cluelesstrain posts - they were just snarky, and not helping the industry move forward.

The fact is that PR is a cut-throat business, and that has expanded into the PR blogosphere. How dare a large agency think that they can have the leaders of the firm blog, but instead need to have someone in the trenches blog instead? How dare a large agency have a different viewpoint on blogs and podcasts, but open up a practice to work with its clients in the space? That's verbotten unless they are in the trenches themselves. How dare any agency open up a separate practice for blogging, creating a new division that should be just part of overall PR strategies?

Or, how dare that we try to work together to make PR a better place, to push forward PR and blogging and set the standard for working with clients in this new space, with regards to transparency and everything else?

I was speaking to a VP at a large agency, and she noted that there are times that the industry needs to stand together and defend the profession. Often times, though, we prefer to tear down the large agencies, instead of working together.

Plus, I can be snarky any time I want to be in other posts. ;)

Robert

Please do serve the cheese as it will help the whiners regain regularity.

Gary Goldhammer

Kevin, thanks for a great post and a dead-on assessment.

Media Guerrilla

Been ruminating on your post, Kevin, and it's true, we should be looking for ways to cultivate our PR community (both online and offline), rather than looking for ways to tear each other down...well done.

James Cherkoff

Well said ;-)

Constantin Basturea

Kevin, I don't think it's fair to say that PR bloggers are "whining" while you link repeatedly to Steve Rubel's postings and to an entry written by BL Ochman.

If your posting was caused by Steve and BL's postings, please name them in your entry. If you think that the "whining" is widespread among PR bloggers, please name the culprits, so we can see what they actually said about the PR industry's efforts of "learning the rules".

What do you think it's better for the health of the PR industry: a discussion space where we can voice disagreements openly, or a place where everybody is smiling falsely and is "getting along"? I hope we don't need to start blogging anonymously (as detailed by the "Reporters without borders" handbook you mentioned) in order to say what we want to say...

Kevin Dugan

Constantin: Thanks for stopping by. Steve and BL helped inspire the post, but I only referenced myself by name. I thought it would defeat the purpose of the post to call people out individually. The post was aimed at the wider audience of PR bloggers. Google will give you specific “culprits” if you’re interested.

This first hit my radar when Richard Edelman launched Speak Up. Shortly after it launched, several PR bloggers took issue with specifics, including posting frequency, moderated comments and lack of trackbacks. Now that readers see the high-quality, c-level insight it provides, few seem to care whether or not Richard observes all of the blogging guidelines.

The New PR chronicles some PR bloggers commenting on Ketchum. These comments might merit a mention or a link in the post. But in the end, I stuck with a few links to make a point vs. a blogroll (less is more).

If nothing else, the post has created a conversation. Some of it is below, including Jeremy Pepper's acknowledgement of his past contributions to the whine and cheese party.

But I also think blogs incentivize posts that take people to task. We’re encouraged to have an opinion. And voicing a unique opinion, one that goes against the grain, is rewarded with traffic, links and trackbacks (like this one).

On blogging anonymously, I agree. Transparency beats secrecy any day. I highlighted Reporters without Borders for its tactic of using a handbook to help educate a target audience on how to blog. I did not highlight them for the content of their handbook.

Thanks again.

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